...Revelation, when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man.In the October 29 footnote, I had written:
No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication1, if He pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.
...I don't count the existence of holy books as evidence that God is. They're just hearsay evidence that someone else may have had such a feeling [as I described in my post2]....I remember that I felt pretty good about labeling the Bible, the Koran, and other works purporting to be the Inspired Word of God as "hearsay." I even thought I was probably being original!
Paine goes on:
It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication—after this it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him. When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or a legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernational intervention.3____________________
...A thing which everybody is required to believe requires that the proof and evidence of it should be equal to all, and universal; and as the public visibility of this last related act [the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ] was the only evidence that could give sanction to the former part [Jesus's immaculate conception], the whole of it falls to the ground, because that evidence never was given. Instead of this, a small number of persons, not more than eight or nine, are introduced as proxies for the whole world to say they saw it, and all the rest of the world are called upon to believe it. But it appears that Thomas did not believe the resurrection, and, as they say, would not believe without having ocular and manual demonstration himself. So neither will I, and the reason is equally as good for me, and for every other person, as for Thomas.
- One won't, that is, if he believes along with Paine that "the Almighty" does exist and has such a power.
- "That feeling, that surpassing feeling...."
- Thomas Paine's footnote: "It is, however, necessary to except the declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children; it is contrary to every principle of moral justice. —Author."
Gosh, it's been years since I've read Paine. I should give it a reread, but not soon. I fear that anything heavier than fluff and limerick would give me a pain in my head just now. One should have some rudimentary capacity for comprehension and mine has fled for the nonce. It'll be back, though. All icky stuff passes.:)
ReplyDeleteSerena Joy was, oh, so thick of head,
ReplyDelete"Only light reading for me!" she said.
"Oh no," quoth I,
"oh why, oh why
Not take your dog for a walk instead?"
She walked the dog,
ReplyDeleteWith her head in a fog.
She cannot think,
Quick, don't blink ---
Rats! She was out like a log.
Can I get a big amen? Personally, I think of the story of the ressurection as a parable of reincarnation. The Bible has been edited so many times, by so many men, and contradicts itself at every turn. One of the things I laugh at is the way it tells us to avoid soothsayers and fortune tellers, but it's full of astrology! Non-astrologers don't realize it, but those who practice it certainly do. The best example I can give is the story about the birth of Christ. The Magi were wise men - astrologers - who "followed" a star to the birth place. If that's not astrology, I don't know what is. There are dozens of examples that those editing simply didn't recognize. I have nothing against God, but I don't have much faith in the Bible.
ReplyDeleteAnd amidst the paragraphs I quoted from Paine there were a few about how the story of the virgin birth of Jesus from Mary derived from the pagan myths of gods procreating children by mortals....
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